. >> you don't have the right in this country, according to the laws of our land. >> that's incorrect. >> you don't have the right to endorse a candidate in church. >> no, it's never been taken to court. for 58 years they've been trying to provoke it to court to see if it's constitutional or not. it's not gotten there. there have been many, many attempts. if it's all that unconstitutional, let's get it to court and decide. the pastor should be able to speak on biblic al topics. freedom of religion and freedom of speech. >> if you feel so strongly that your political voice should be heard, why not give up your tax exempt status? why challenge the irs this way? >> well, take that up with thomas jeffersonnd benjamin franklin. they said there should be true separation of church and state. that means that would include such a thing as tax exemption. supreme court would later say if the government can tax a church, it can control it and manipulate it. most people would not want their pastors to be controlled and manipulated by the state even in the arena of speech restriction as well. that'